Interviewer: I read on your website that you called Waco "the white man's Wounded Knee."
Means: Right.
Interviewer: Meaning of course, what happened to David Koresh and his followers, the Branch Davidians, at his church in Waco. Were you being literal, or symbolic, or both?
Means: Both. The massacre of my people at Wounded Knee was symbolic to us in that that was our last chance to be free. Koresh represented the same thing: The last chance to be free in America.....for people to be different. The fact that the government killed men, women and children with impunity.....the scariest part is that Waco's even more dangerous, a bigger warning light.....it's like the miner's canary. You see, Felix Cohen, a legal scholar back in the 1920s put together all of the spare Indian laws into one collection and called it Indian Law in the United States......He said "the American Indian is the miner's canary for liberty in this country."
Interviewer: What happened to you will happen to the rest of us.......
Means: Exactly. He was very prophetic. This was the last light that went out, when the government will attack white people, white women and children and babies, and massacre them and then lie about it, that is the worst sign. And that's when I knew that dissent in this country was officially dead. The government put its official stamp on it -- I knew it was over back in the 70s and early 80s when the corporations figured out how to kill dissent in this country. But, when you have such a totalitarian society, and no-one knows about it! [laughs]
Interviewer: It's kind of like the movie "The Matrix." What scared me most about Waco was that hardly any of the ACLU, civil-liberties types would call that for what it was. They'd make excuses by pointing out what a rotten guy Koresh was: "He was abusing children, he was weird, he was the wacko from Waco, he thought he was Jesus, he was a cult leader," and on and on. The only persons from the left, that I saw, who saw that for it was, were Gerry Spence and Camille Paglia. That was it. And all of the sudden, right-winger types -- you know, the former "law-and-order" types who would have been for Bull Connors 40 years ago -- all of the sudden, there's an outcry from them about civil liberties. And I'm wondering whether this is some "Twilight Zone" episode, or "what's going on in this country?" The left and the right like to point fingers at each other, as to who's more for freedom, but what they really mean is "freedom for themselves," as Nat Hentoff pointed out. What frightened me was that the people who were previously First Amendment hawks were now silent, dead silent. That's what woke me up. I was a soldier in the Army, and I swore an oath to defend the Constitution. Now I realise there's not much of it left.
Means: Name one amendment in the Bill of Rights left.
Interviewer: Not the Fourth, with racial profiling and total asset forfeiture for even having a marijuana joint. Not the Fifth, where if you win a criminal case, the government will come after you with a civil trial or you'll be sued into bankruptcy. Forget about the Second! The First, so long as you say what's approved of by the government. This whole political correctness thing in the universities and in business, where even if you don't go to jail for politically incorrect speech -- which, to my knowledge, nobody has -- you don't have to! In American society today, people censor themselves, and so the job is done. Like you said, "we have a totalitarian system, and nobody knows it." We've been forced into conformity, censoring ourselves, to be approved-of by our own will, with our own acquiescence. To me, this is not a country worthy of calling itself a country of men; it's dishonorable and craven.
Means: Well, you know, the lack of parliamentary freedoms in this country has really exposed what I call the Demopublicans in being a totalitarian society, because it's mob rule here: Fifty per-cent, plus one.
Interviewer: The idea that the minority has rights is gone in America.
Means:
It's gone! It's "Fifty per-cent plus one." It's mob rule in
this country, and to accept the minority -- whatever minority that is,
that 49.9 per cent -- you have to accept what you disagree with in this
country. The mob rules, it's not even a democracy, it's not even
a republic. It lost its republic status back in the 1840s when it
gave the same rights to corporations that the individual has. You
know, I've got a song on my CD called "There Ain't No Prison for Corporations."
Interviewer: If it does, it's got tennis courts, carpeting, a driving range......On to American Indian issues: Is the BIA still a destructive influence on the reservations?
Means: I went on the "Today Show," and I said "I want to talk about the sterilization of 42 per-cent of our woman." The guy said "yeah, yeah. That's taken care of, that's over with now."
Interviewer: But nobody knows about it!
Means: They don't want to hear about it. Right now, I'm talking with "20/20," Chris Cuomo, who's been wanting to do a story on American Indian issues, exposing the corruption. And, the network did not want to do it. "Nobody's interested in it." But, everybody's interested! You hear about American Indians, they all perk up. You can't get it done! Now, he wants to do a story on forced adoption, the fostering-out of one out of four American Indian children.
Interviewer: That's still going on? That's what happened under dictators like Hitler, or Kim Il Sung or Ceaucescu: Take them away from their natural parents, and bring them up as orphans, where their only loyalty is to those in power.
Means: There was an act of Congress passed in the 1970s to prevent that, but the Mormons are able to get around it.
Interviewer: Why? Why Mormons?
Means: Money.
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